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TheMosesPHD · Jul 18, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Mmmmm...new minipets... *chomp chomp*

TheMosesPHD · Jul 18, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by KurtBatz

Okay, I'll ask it again

If your character can NEVER level, if the level of armour and weapons isn't increasing, if hences are maxed at 20

How are they supposed to increase the difficulty of PVE?

Before they increase the difficulty of PvE, they would actually have to implement difficulty in PvE. When you can easily hench most everything in the game, I wouldn't call that difficult at all. I understand in order to cater to people that do not play the game often, they would need the storyline stuff to be moderately completable with henchmen, but I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem adding more side-zones that are super difficult unless every team member is 100% reliable. You could make things more difficult by giving monsters a full set of 8 skills, instead of the 3-5 that most all of them have now. You could make their levels ridiculously higher than our own too

Cjlr · Jul 18, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by KurtBatz

How are they supposed to increase the difficulty of PVE?

Well, they can take the easy way out and boost everything's level - well, everything but us. But aside from that, they could improve the AI, balance the mobs better, give monsters more/better/more complimentary skills. Hell, they could reduce the party size if they wanted.

lyra_song · Jul 18, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by KurtBatz

Okay, I'll ask it again

If your character can NEVER level, if the level of armour and weapons isn't increasing, if hences are maxed at 20

How are they supposed to increase the difficulty of PVE?

Actual puzzles perhaps?

Less of the "Go from point A to point B, kill something, go to C for your reward"

and more of the

"Solve puzzle A, which is randomly generated, go through gateway B, kill a boss while solving a timed puzzle C, which is also randomly generated"

Nexus Icon · Jul 18, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

So how long will it be before we see the dreaded "Accountant" class or the feared "Bailiff" class?

ANet need to start coming up with better hooks than just new character classes, otherwise the class system is going to become bogged down and overly-complicated incredibly quickly.
I can't believe that they would be so stupid as to try and shoehorn 2 new classes into the game with each new chapter.
It's already beginning to look like "Generic Fighter Variation #37".

Cebe · Jul 18, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I agree - the more professions they bring in, the less value each new profession will have. There will be less to buy/farm for them, less elite skills, etc... A lot of skills seem to be covered by the already existing professions, short of some very different professions (verging on wierd/warped/'inventive') any more professions after Nightfall will just seem pointless.

I'm liking Lyra Song's puzzle idea...

Jazar · Jul 18, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

But if the maxcap inceases it must to increase for each previous chapter too, shouldn't it?
Because otherwise shared places like UW and Tombs can't be possible any longer, can they?

Karmaniac · Jul 18, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Sorry to piss in your pool of fun but I'd keep a lid on it till we actually see them. Assassins were supposed to be these sneaky, deadly killers but wait a second:

Assassins:
damage GOOD
defense MEDIOCRE
healing OMGGOREDENGINE BAD
...and oh wait we had that gimped tele elite too, cool huh?

Dervishes on the other hand are supposed to be defense/healing melee class which would suggest big damage. Simple pro/con comparision would give the following result: dervish>>assassin. This would however ruin game balance so it may all be just a huge load of bullhype and we're left witha flawed novelty class played by the same people who can't delete their assassins because they invested a good deal of money in 15k luxon armor. Trolling off...

TheMosesPHD · Jul 18, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

So how long will it be before we see the dreaded "Accountant" class or the feared "Bailiff" class?

ANet need to start coming up with better hooks than just new character classes, otherwise the class system is going to become bogged down and overly-complicated incredibly quickly.
I can't believe that they would be so stupid as to try and shoehorn 2 new classes into the game with each new chapter.
It's already beginning to look like "Generic Fighter Variation #37".

Well here's what I wanna see: exactly what you're stating you're afraid of. I want the game to be so complicated that people will run many many different types of builds in PvP, and frequently at that. I want more of the PvP battles where you have no idea whether or not you're going to win or lose, and you never know what to expect from your enemy so you have to be able to make quick decisions.
The reason I play PvP is to try and chase those sadly few games where the action is so intense and unpredictable that your heart-rate jumps up and you're on the edge of your seat. I don't see those types of matches often enough

ChaoticCoyote · Jul 18, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by KurtBatz

Okay, I'll ask it again

If your character can NEVER level, if the level of armour and weapons isn't increasing, if hences are maxed at 20

How are they supposed to increase the difficulty of PVE?

By being more creative with quests and the complexity of missions.

Difficulty is not only in the ability to kill ever-bigger monsters.

Bumping the cap would unbalance all of the earlier chapters. Think fo a level 30 Dervish showing up in Lion's Arch... it would make the entire PvE campaign a joke.

Retribution X · Jul 18, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

I swear I am gonna buy Nightfall, Even if the content is shit.

Those new professions PWN man!

Ragu · Jul 18, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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These holy warriors are capable of striking at multiple targets simultaneously

lolsmite

Frank Dudenstein · Jul 18, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Gamepsot.com

The profession's most powerful ability, however, is to temporarily transform into the physical embodiment of a god.

OMG NERF! NERF!! NERF!!!

TheMosesPHD · Jul 18, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Ragu

lolsmite

Mo/D or D/Mo ultimate 55er anyone?

Nexus Icon · Jul 18, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I honestly thought that their basic original idea for expansions was better than the direction they seem to be moving in.
Wasn't the idea to just add more skills for the core classes, some new PvE content and some new PvP content?

If they concentrated on coming up with new, original skills for existing classes rather than gimmicky new classes, I think we'd be getting better quality.

So how about trying to double the current range of available skills WITHOUT just duplicating current ones, and adding a continent the size of Tyria plus say 10 new arenas, 10 new guild halls and 3-5 different play types?

Now THAT I would fork over cash for almost immediately.

Shadow Dragon · Jul 18, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

i have no more char slots.

which sucks

Branskins · Jul 18, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I hope they have super hard dungeons hidding through PvE enviroments

I also think some of you are jumping to conclusions without actually knowing anything about the game

sumasage · Jul 18, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Dervish make my war/mo obsolete

Troll farming anyone?

I seriously doubt that they will up the level cap...if they do they will have a **** load of work to update all the spell/skill/signet and everything else to balance the game. The game was base on level 20 cap.

To make the game more challenging i think they can make mob use secondary profession. This will make the game much harder as mobs can have a "team build".....just like we do. Also if you want challenging they try to do Rot Scale and the Elite missions (Try not to use a Trapper or Stance wall build

)

About slots i think they will not give us any extra slot during the beta even. I have a feeling they will release the buyable slot some time before the event. Marketing scheme anyone?

Now please please please make the Paragon's armor with wings a 15k and not FoW

I'm still waiting for the White Mantle armor for my war................

LordDeArnise · Jul 18, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Well lets see whats been happening...

World Championship, Skill Balance, and then poof! New class previews. o.o

I think it would be naive to think this is all not linked together >.>

It will probably be just a PvP weekend anyway.

They did mention that it will be a PvP weekend. Both classes look very promising; guild leaders may just as well build a Paragon just for the feel of "leading" the battle. Dervishes seem to be somewhere between a tanking War and the high attack/low defense Sins. Imagine how they would fare battling in Cantha. And since we're getting early reports of the Dervishes' capabilities, don't you think we're going to see swarms of PvE mobs in Nightfall?

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Originally Posted by Shadow Dragon

i have no more char slots.

which sucks

I think most of us share your feelings, but then again, didn't most us did that when we were testing out Factions? The ability to buy new slots looks promising, but they should certainly add 2 more slots when Nightfall goes live, sometimes in 2007, I think. As for raising the lvl cap to, say, around 30, probably not. It would just be overkill for someone to get a Prophecies character to 30, go through that campaign, smack the Lich, go through Factions, smack Shiro like a fool, then go through Nightfall.

Do I get a feeling that Jeremy Soule will be working on a score of Arabic, or African-themed BGM's now?

TheMosesPHD · Jul 18, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

I honestly thought that their basic original idea for expansions was better than the direction they seem to be moving in.
Wasn't the idea to just add more skills for the core classes, some new PvE content and some new PvP content?

If they concentrated on coming up with new, original skills for existing classes rather than gimmicky new classes, I think we'd be getting better quality.

So how about trying to double the current range of available skills WITHOUT just duplicating current ones, and adding a continent the size of Tyria plus say 10 new arenas, 10 new guild halls and 3-5 different play types?

Now THAT I would fork over cash for almost immediately.

I think their orginal idea is exactly what they are doing. I never saw a statement saying they were just going to upgrade old professions in future expansions. The "idea" for each expansion is to try and incorporate new and different types of challenges/experiences. That doesn't neccesarily mean they need new professions, and there's no statement saying each new chapter will have 2 new profs, but if they want to incorporate new ideas with new professions, then that's following their original plan.

Though it's a bit slow, they have indeed been adding new original skills to the core classes. The "gimmick" classes is their way of marketing. If you don't like the appeal of one new chapter, perhaps the bonus chartypes of another will appeal to a potential customer.
Anyway some people, prolly a good ammount really, would get bored with just new variations to a core attribute. I mean in the end it's still just Air Magic, or still just Axe Mastery. "New" usually has more appeal to the general populus than simply "upgraded".